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Before 1919 it is doubtful whether anyone in the country let alone cockneys would have heard of it.

In Mayhew's London Labour and the London Poor (vol 3 1851) there is a chapter on Punch Talk (basically the slang language used by traveling Italian Punch and Judy men and entertainers).

[This doubtless comes from a Music Hall song sung, somewhere between 19, by the Cockney songster Gus Elen entitled " 'E dunno where 'e are". She made her first stage appearance at the Albert Music Hall, Canning Town, and later became famous for her cockney character songs.

The song is about a bloke, Jack Jones, who comes into a sum of money and thinks himself too good for his former mates: "When he's up at Covint Gardin you can see 'im a standin' all alone, / Won't join in a quiet little Tommy Dodd (half-pint of beer), drinking Scotch and Soda on 'is own, / 'E 'as the cheek and impidence to call 'is muvver 'is Ma, / Since Jack Jones came into a little bit o' splosh, well 'e dunno where 'e are." - Thanks to Frank Haigh for the explanation of the source]Looks like I'm on my Todd tonight. - Frank Baynham reports that Todd Sloan was a famous jockey (I've found a listing for him at the Wikiup ranch in Northern California) who had a tendency to run at the front of the pack... [Kate Carney (1869-1950), a comedienne, was born into a music hall family in London.

[Mike King has written to say that he that the slang for liver comes from "The Lord loves a cheerful giver", which was then shortened to Lord...

Mike says he thinks toe-rags refer to the rags people used to wrap around their feet when they didn't have shoes…

we used to call our socks toe-rags which is probably the same origin.

He also says his old dad used to call some people a toe-rag and suspects it might have been an insult (reference to fag = queer).] [Martin Mc Kerrell adds that toe rag referred to a small time petty thief, in his words "the sort of dirty little toe rag who would live next door and break into your house and nick the Christmas presents".] [Gillian adds "term is commonly used, at least in Scotland, meaning just a bit stronger than "rascal" and probably spelled without the e: 'You little torag.' I always thought it did come from terms used to refer to travelling people."][And Michael Kendix adds: I heard that "Toe rag" came from "Taureg" a nomadic people living in the Arabian desert, regarded by colonial powers as "low life's".

Mark points out that Euan Blair (Prime minister's underage son) was found drunk by police in Leicester Square earlier this year. [The expression 'not on your nelly', meaning 'not on your life' (meaning that the person would never do something), is from Nelly Duff which rhymes with puff which means breath which is another way of saying life... From everything I researched it would seem Nelly Duff was a fictional character but this is not certain.

Thanks to Cathleen Kelly]Lovely - cheerful for dinner tonight.

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